Why is it so difficult for intelligent and informed Christians to recognize - and openly and publicly admit hat - the Bible is NOT free of all errors. |
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Click on the underlined references to have the verses displayed. {They will be displayed in the New International Version, but you can then select one of several other versions, if you prefer.} When there are more than two conflicting options, they are listed over one another instead of side by side. | |
If the passage in this column is RIGHT, then the passage in the other column has to be WRONG. |
If the passage in this column is RIGHT, then the passage in the other column has to be WRONG. |
Luke 1:15 John the Baptist had the Holy Spirit from before his birth or the birth of Jesus. Luke 1:41 Elizabeth had it long before Jesus went away. Luke 1:67 So did Zechariah. Luke 2:25 So did Simeon. Luke 11:13 It is obtained by prayer (presumably at any time). |
The Holy Spirit cannot come into the world until after Jesus has departed. John 7:39, John 16:7, Acts 1:3-5 |
No one can be a disciple of Jesus unless he hates his parents, wife, children, brothers and sisters. Luke 14:26 |
whoever hates his brother is a murderer. John 3:15 If anyone claims to love God but hates his brother, he is a liar.John 4:20 |
Satan entered Judas before the supper. Luke 22:3-23 |
Satan entered Judas during the supper. John 13:27 |
Both of those who are crucified with Jesus taunt him. Matt. 27:44 |
only one taunts Jesus, and he is rebuked by the other for doing so. Luke 23:39-42 |
Jesus promises one of those crucified with him that they will be together, that very day, in Paradise. Luke 23:43 |
Jesus was not raised until the third day and did not ascend until at least forty days later. John 20:17, Acts 1:3 |
Jesus was the first to rise from the dead. Acts 26:23 |
A dead child is raised (well before Jesus' resurrection). 2 Kings 4:32-37 two dead persons are raised (by Jesus himself). Matt. 9:18-25, John 11:38-44 |
Jesus and the Father are one, (i.e., equal). John 1:1, John 10:30 | The Father is greater than Jesus. John 14:28 |
Jesus says that if he bears witness to himself, his testimony is not true. John 5:31 |
Jesus says that even if he bears witness to himself, his testimony is true. John 8:14 |
Men have a choice as to whether or not to receive Jesus. John 5:38-47 | No one can come to Jesus unless he is drawn by the father. John 6:44 |
There are several instances in which Jesus quotes a statement that he says appears in scripture (i.e., the O.T.) Since these passages are not found in our versions of the bible, either we don't have the same bible and Jesus was right, or we do have the same bible and Jesus was wrong : John 7:38 John 17:12 John 20:9 & Mark 1:2, where Jesus quotes a statement that he claims is in Isaiah. (but no such statement appears in Isaiah.) |
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Jesus has lost none, period. John 10:27-29 None of Jesus' followers will be lost. & John 18:9 |
Some of them will be lost. & Tim. 4:1 Jesus has lost one disciple, namely Judas. John 17:12 |
Jesus implies that all persons will be saved. John 12:32 |
Heaven will be inhabited by 144,000 virgin men (only?). Rev. 14:1-4 |
Jesus says that none of them have asked him where he is going. John 16:5 |
Peter asks Jesus where he is going. John 13:36 Thomas does the same. John 14:5 |
{ Matthew 12:39-40} But he answered them, "An evil and adulterous generation asks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the sea monster, so for three days and three nights the Son of Man will be in the heart of the earth. { Mark 8:31 } Then he began to teach them that the Son of Man must undergo great suffering, and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests, and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.
{ John 2:18-22 } | If Jesus died on the cross at about 3 P.M. on Friday and rose from the grave sometime before sunrise on Sunday, then he was in the grave Fri. and Sat. night, and only one full "day", i.e. Sat. (about half as much time as he predicted). What does that say about the accuracy of Jesus' prediction and the value of what he offered as the "sign of Jonah", as proof that he had authority over "his Father's house"? { I have a good answer to that question, but it's not one that I've ever heard "Christian Conservatives" offer.} |
Jesus began his ministry before the arrest of John the Baptist. John 3:22-24 |
Jesus began his ministry after the arrest of John the Baptist. Mark 1:14 |
Herod was the source of the belief that John had been raised from the dead. Mark 6:16 |
Others were the source. Herod was perplexed by the belief. Luke 9:7 |
The people were so unimpressed with "the Feeding of the Multitude" that they did not even
understand the event. Mark 6:52 |
They were so impressed that they tried to force Jesus to be their king. John 6:14-15 |
After the feeding of the 5000, Jesus and the disciples went to Gennesaret. | John 6:17-25 They went to Capernaum. Mark 6:53 |
It was the third hour when Jesus was crucified. Mark 15:25 |
It was after the sixth hour since Jesus was still before Pilate and had not yet been sentenced at that time. John 19:14-15 |
The women followed Joseph to the tomb, saw how the body had been laid, then went to prepare spices with which to annoint the body. Luke 23:55-56 |
Joseph brought spices with him (75 or a 100 lbs.) and annointed the body (as the women should have noticed). John 19:39-40 |
The women came to the tomb to anoint the body. Mark 16:1-2 |
The body had already been anointed and wrapped in linen cloth. John 19:39-40 |
The women actually entered the tomb. Mark 16:5, Luke 24:3 |
They did not enter the tomb. John 20:1-2, 11 |
The first visitors to the tomb were Mary Magdalene and the other Mary (two). Vers. 1: Matt. 28:1 |
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Both of the above plus Salome (three). Vers. 2: Mark 16:1 |
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Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and "other women" (at least five). Vers. 3 : Luke 23:55 24:1, 24:10 |
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Mary Magdalene only (one). Vers. 4 : John 20:1 |
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It was after sunrise. Mark 16:2 |
It was still dark. John 20:1 |
Vers. 1: An angel arrived during an earthquake, rolled back the stone, then sat on it (outside the tomb). Matt. 28:2 |
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Vers. 2 : No earthquake, only one young man sitting inside the tomb. Mark 16:5 |
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Vers. 3 : No earthquake. Two men suddenly appear standing inside the tomb. Luke 24:2-4 and John 20:12 |
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The witnesses told the eleven and all the rest. Luke 24:9 The witnesses ran to tell the disciples. Matt. 28:8 |
The witnesses said nothing to anyone. Mark 16:8 |
Jesus' first appearance following the Resurrection was fairly near the tomb or John 20:13-14 was right at the tomb. Matt. 28:8-9 |
It was in the vicinity of Emmaus (seven miles from Jerusalem). Luke 24:13-15 |
On his first appearance to Mary, Jesus forbids her to touch him since he has not yet ascended to the Father. John 20:17 |
On his first appearance to them, Jesus lets mary magdalene and the other mary hold him by his feet. Matt. 28:9 |
Vers. 1: The Ascension took place while the disciples were seated at a table together, probably in a room in or near Jerusalem. Mark 16:14-19 |
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Vers. 2: The Ascension took place outdoors, after supper, at Bethany (near Jerusalem). Luke 24:50-51 |
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Vers. 3: The Ascension took place outdoors, after 40+ days, at Mt. Olivet. Acts 1:9-12 Matt. 28:16-20 |
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Since Matthew makes no mention of an ascension, if it took place at all, it must have been from a mountain in Galilee since that is where his gospel leaves off. |
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In his first resurrection appearance before the assembled disciples, Jesus gives them the Holy Spirit. John 20:22 |
The Holy Spirit was received much later (on Pentecost.) Acts 1:3-5, Acts 2:1-4 |
Those present at Paul's conversion heard the voice but saw no one. Acts 9:7 |
They saw a light, but did not hear a voice. Acts 22:9 |
Those present at Paul's conversion stood. Acts 9:7 |
They fell to the ground. Acts 26:14 |
Shortly after his conversion, Paul went to Damascus, then Jerusalem where he was introduced to the Apostles by Barnabas, and there spent some time with them (going in and out among them). Acts 9:19-28 | He made the trip three years later, then saw only Peter and James. Gal. 1:15-20 |
God shows no partiality. He treats all alike. Acts 10:34, Romans 2:11 |
God hated Esau and loved Jacob even before their birth. Romans 9:11-13 God has mercy on whoever he chooses, etc. Romans 9:18 |
Vers. 1: Quotes Jesus as having said: "It is more blessed to give than to receive." (No such statement of Jesus is found elsewhere in the Bible.) Acts 20:35 |
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All who have sinned without the law will perish without the law. Romans 2:12 |
Where there is no law there is no transgression (sin). Romans 4:15 |
Paul says that he tries to please men (so they might be saved). 1 Cor. 10:33 | Paul says he would not be a servant of Christ if he tried to please men. Gal. 1:10 |
Paul says that he does use trickery. 2 Cor. 12:16 |
Paul says that he does not use trickery. 1 Thes. 2:3 |
Paul says that he is the foremost of sinners. Tim. 1:15 |
He who commits sin is of the Devil.Children of God do not sin. John 3:8-10 |
Has God Appeared to YOU Lately ? As far as the bible being reveled by God is concerned, Thomas Paine pointed out 200 years ago that it is a contradiction in terms to call anything a revelation that comes to us second-hand, either verbally or in writing. Only the first person receiving a communication from God can be said to have "received a revelation from God". Anybody else, who receives a communication from any other person, is not receiving a revelation from God, but a report of a revelation from God. Unless you as the indirect recipient are told directly by God to believe that report, how can you determine which persons who claim to be speaking for God are authentic, and which are not? When it comes to the inspiration of the "Old Testament", it's fascinating how everything in the Old Testament that they can use to torture other people is the innerant word of God", while anything that they don't understand or don't want applied to themselves, is dismissed in an instant with the mantra, "Christians are not bound by the Law. Jesus freed us from the ancient Law." You don't have to accept everything in Shakespeare, or any other other, to benefit from some of what they have written. Why is the Bible the only book where the only choices that you have is to accept all of it, or none of it? Just because people are forced by the overwhelming evidence to accept the fact that the Bible is fallible doesn't mean that they can't be inspired by what is inspiring in it. It would be so nice and comfortable to have the wheat separated from the chaff, maybe with red text vs. black, but life just isn't that easy. If Christianity were a matter of black and white (or red), there wouldn't be thousands of versions of Christianity, now would there? 2 Timothy 3:16-17 is often quoted as proof that the Bible is inerrant :"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." (NIV) The expression "god-breathed" is occasionally translated "inspired by God". Contemporary english version gives it as "Everything in the Scriptures is God's Word", The Wycliff New testament says " For all scripture inspired of God is profitable. . ." But how can anyone claim that these words apply to a book that would not even exist for another 300 years?!? What we call "the Bible" is nothing but a collection of writings approved by a solemn convention of clerics in 325 AD, called the Council of Nicea (in what is now Turkey). Since Paul didn't specify any such "canon" of holy writings, his words "All scripture" would apply, not only to the many Christian writings of the time that were eventually excluded from the canon of Nicea, but to all of the writings that existed when Paul made that statement, including the egyptian, mesopotamian, hindu, buddhist and gnostic scriptures, and even the writings of the Greek philosophers. But they might not include any of the "Gospels", as all four of the New Testament "gospels" were written AFTER Paul wrote his epistles! Notice, too, that Paul didn't say that these scriptures were inerrant, but rather that they were "good for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness". When all is said and done, all that Paul may have been saying is that there was much that was worthwhile (and that ultimately had God as its author) in the various scriptures of his day. but any time you would like to explore some external contradictions, see the "Failed Prophecies" & "Flaws and Errors" sections of (Christian) Davis D. Danizier' outstanding web site. or (Non-believer) Theodore Drange's outstanding web site. or check out A great study of over-simplistic Bible beliefs. or the challenge to Fundamentalists of www.bidstrup.com/bible2.htm or Our own www.whatkindofgod.org/ page, which highlights numerous troublesome descriptions of God in our bible.
For some very interesting facts about the history of the Bible, see Here's the official Conservative statement of Inerrancy :Chicago Statement on BIBLICAL INERRANCY | |
Far from challenging one's faith in God, the recognition of the fallibility of the written word should cause the true Christian to have greater reverence for Jesus Christ, who is the one and only living word of God! We "Liberals Like Christ" don't believe that the teaching of the Lord in the four gospels is enhanced by considering dozens of relatively insignificant books of the Bible the equals of the Gospels in inspiration. Nor do they allow Christ's teaching to be filtered through and modified by other lesser people, no matter what claims they make for themselves, whether they be living or dead, "canonical" or non-canonical. ![]() ![]() Greg A. A. did a wonderful job of expressing my beliefs about the Bible, when he wrote (to the "Liberals Like Christ" group on 9/12/2003 ) : The 'Bible Belt's" defense of slavery : So-called "Christian Conservatives" who desperately need some of the Bible's least important verses to hound homosexuals these days, are the worthy descendants of their predecessors, who used the Bible in the very same way to promote and defend slavery for hundreds of years. As Dr. Terrry Matthews explains so well in http://www.LiberalsLikeChrist.Org/about/slavrelg.html, "The South felt it necessary to defend the Bible as inerrant truth, with no mixture of error because Southerners came to believe that anything that threatened to undermine the authority of scripture also undermined one of their best defenses of slavery. ![]() One of the Southern "theologians", Robert Lewis Dabney, clearly described the deliberate nature of this strategy when he wrote in 1851: "Here is our policy then . . . to push the Bible argument continually, to drive Abolitionism to the wall, to compel it to assume an anti-Christian position." Like other Southerners, he felt that if the abolitionists could be made out to be attacking God's Word as well as slavery, their influence among the public could be limited. Another leading Southerner, James Henley Thornwell, went so far as to say that calling Slavery sinful was to reject the Bible in favor of a rationalistic mode of thought. And some Southern religious leaders who went so far as to attack the Declaration of Independence and the Virginia Bill of Rights, as having sprung from the same infidel philosophy which bred abolitionism. Regarding the conflict between Faith and Reason : "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use."- Galileo Galilei "Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear." - Thomas Jefferson Hitler admired the blind faith of "Conservative" Christians "I have followed [the Church] in giving our party program the character of unalterable finality, like the Creed. The Church has never allowed the Creed to be interfered with. It is fifteen hundred years since it was formulated, but every suggestion for its amendment, every logical criticism, or attack on it, has been rejected. The Church has realized that anything and everything can be built up on a document of that sort, no matter how contradictory or irreconcilable with it. The faithful will swallow it whole, so long as logical reasoning is never allowed to be brought to bear on it." |
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