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As a churchman myself, I know a thing or two about the principal opponents to justice and equality for gays -- who are only asking for the right to get married in the eyes of the state, not in the eyes of Catholic Bishops or Conservative Protestant preachers. -- And I urge gays and lesbians to remember that the best defense is a good offense. Friends, I urge you to point out to churchmen who give you a hard time that they should down off their high horses and to get down on their knees and pray for God�s forgiveness, because, when it comes to issues like this, more often than not, The sad truth is that the vast majority of the Roman Catholic and the Protestant Churchmen of Germany were on the WRONG side of the mass-murder of our Jewish brothers and sisters. Just 60 years ago, in a Christian country very much like ours, where about 90% of the population were either Protestants or Catholics, too few clergymen to deserve mention complained when a Roman Catholic madman named Adolf Hitler enlisted the help of millions of their congregants to do their part in fulfilling Hitler�s dream of exterminating all the Jews of Europe, not to mention the homosexuals and "liberals", that he hated almost as much as the Jews. Now I am not suggesting that conditions are as bad for gays here and now as they were for Jews then. But one of the most important lessons of this tragic period of human history is that church leaders who claimed to speak for God were in fact so devoid of moral or spiritual character that they were unable to recognize the diabolical Nazi regime for what it was, or to warn the faithful to avoid becoming accomplices in the holocaust, which could never have been carried out without MILLIONS of helpers of all kinds. Hitler didn�t get those helpers from MARS, he got them from the pews of the Christian churches of his own nation. To give you just one example of the way supposed "men of God" thought in those days, Poland's leading cardinal said: 'There will be the Jewish problem as long as the Jews remain." (which some people at least understood to mean "until the Jews are eliminated".)
The sad truth is that the vast majority of the Roman Catholic and Protestant Churchmen of about half of our own country were on the wrong side of the issue of the `enslavement of our black brothers and sisters. We have all been taught that in 1492 our European ancestors "discovered" America. But the truth is that what our supposedly civilized Christian forebears actually was no more a �discovery� than was Attila the Huns� invasion of Europe. It was an invasion of two peace-loving continents every bit as barbaric as any of the invasions of Europe by the barbarians of old, and cost many, many millions of native Americans their lives, their wonderful heritage and everything that had owned and had developed over the course of thousands of years. Before they killed their victims, however, in the name of Jesus Christ and his representatives, the Pope, and the god-appointed rulers of Christian nations, the mass-murderers were required to make this proclamation to their innocent victims: If you do not do this, or resort maliciously to delay, we warn you that, with the aid of God, we will come against you with force and will make war in every place and by every means we can, and we will then subject you to the yoke and authority of the Church and Their Highnesses. We will take you and your wives and children and make them slaves, and will dispose of you and them as Their Highnesses order. And we will take your property and will do to you all the harm and evil we can, as is done to vassals who will not obey their lord. We avow that the deaths and harm which you will receive thereby will be your own blame, and not that of Their Highnesses, nor ours,"  For a most informing book on the subject, read Liberal-Insights.Org/AmericanHolocaust Friends, For those who know this history, there's nothing surprising about the fact that the vast majority of the Roman Catholic and the Protestant Churchmen in America today are leading the effort to deny our Gay and Lesbian brothers and sisters the equality promised them in America's Declaration of Independence. But they need to be reminded over and over and over again that they have a very long history of being utter failures, when it comes to such matters.  
You don't have to let them beat you over the head with a few questionable quotes from their bible. Let us show you how to grab that bible and beat them over the head with it! That's right. The very same bible which doesn't have a word in it about abortion, birth-control or masturbation, and only slightly more than nothing about homosexuality, is packed with criticism of fundamentalist type clerics! In fact, there is no group of people that Jesus condemned anywhere near as much as these, and he did it in the clearest and harshest of terms. He was so intense and single-minded in his attacks on them that in three short years he so infuriated these "men of God" that they came to the conclusion that the only way to get him off their backs was to have him killed. So, check out the rest of this page and then use the link below to take a good look at (and bookmark) If you want to read the whole story of why the "Religious Right" of his day had Jesus nailed to the cross, see The truth is that Paul of Tarsus is the one who had problems with not just with homosexuals, but with women, with slavery, and with Jews. Paul had problems, period. See LiberalsLikeChrist.Org/PaulvsAll. Not only did Jesus never have anything negative to say about homosexuals, but in recommending that some people avoid marriage, he said something that may serve to butress the case for homosexuality being genetic rather than acquired, and therefore impossible to condemn ( Matthew 19: 10--12 )
Please help get the word out about the entire "Liberals Like Christ" and "Shame On Catholics" web sites to all of those friends and allies of yours who have to contend with the "Religious Right", so that they can have these powerful weapons to fight these people, who are often neither "religious" nor "right". From now on, you can use every attack against you as an opportunity to turn the table (and the Bible) against these "caskets full of dead men's bones", as Jesus called their ancestors! And as for the Roman Catholic hierarchy, stop letting them look down on gays! Instead of pointing their corrupt fingers at others, these pompous "princes of the church", need to forced to face their own demons. We show at www.CatholicArrogance.Org/PopesvsChrist how terribly unfit most of the popes have been to claim to represent Peter, let alone Christ. And at LiberalsLikeChrist.Org/RCscandal we show why religious leaders who defy Jesus' teaching against pomposity and who didn't have the sense and/or courage to condemn the mass murder of millions of Jews, gays and other unpopular minorities right under their noses haven't earned the moral credibility to lecture others about the morality of the gay choices or women's reproductive choices. |
 Congratulations to : Phyllis Lyon, left, 79, and Dell Martin, 82, right, who have been a couple for 51 years, for finally receiving a modicum of recognition in the form of a marriage certificate in a civil ceremony in San Francisco, Thursday, Feb. 12, 2004. |
 Georgia Sen. Bill Stephens' glass house
His first wife and the mother of his first two sons questions the right of Georgia State Senate GOP leader to defend the 'sanctity of marriage' after he caused the breakup of their
marriage and got their 15-year marriage annulled by his
Catholic Church so that he could marry another Catholic. |
| Here's a famous piece which might be called : "The Last Minority"
"In Germany, the Nazis first came for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. (The fact IS they didn't come for Catholics or Protestants nearly as often as they came for homosexuals.)
Then they came for me, and by that time
- Martin Niemoeller, Berlin Lutheran pastor Good Catholic school boy that he was, Adolph Hitler proclaimed that "Homosexuality is the mark of Cain, of a godless and soulless culture which is sick to the core. The teaching of the youth to appreciate the value of the community, derives its strongest inner power from the truths of Christianity. For this reason, it will always be my special duty to safeguard the right and free development of the Christian school and the Christian fundamentals of all education." |
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Here's a letter to everyone who, like Dr. Laura, uses a few verses
of the Bible's Book of Leviticus to lecture homosexuals, when they
wouldn't dare lecture anyone about any number of other prohibitions
from the very same page of that very same book of the Bible :
Dr. Laura Schlessinger b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? I've got six, so I may be able to make a killing (so to speak)! c) I know that I am not allowed to touch women while they are in their her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell which are and which aren't? I have tried asking, but most women take offense. d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians? e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put such people to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or are their priests or something I can report them to? f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. Can you settle this? g) Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here? h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die? i) I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear lambskin or wool gloves? j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev. 24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14) And thanks for reminding us of God's eternal and unchanging word of truth. Your devoted disciple and adoring fan. On Oct. 18, 2000, West Wing's President Bartlett did a great job of delivering many of these same lines to a "Dr. Jacobs" . Two clips of that marvelous scene may still be available at clip 1 & clip 2 (1.4 meg each). |
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"Defense of (biblical) Marriage Act" were serious, then they would be going all the way, and requiring that in addition to : A. Marriage in the United States shall consist of a union between one man and one or more women. (Gen 29:17-28; II Sam 3:2-5) B. Marriage shall not impede a man's right to take concubines in addition to his wife or wives. (II Sam 5:13; I Kings 11:3; II Chron 11:21) C. A marriage shall be considered valid only if the wife is a virgin. If the wife is not a virgin, she shall be executed. (Deut 22:13-21) D. Marriage of a believer and a non-believer shall be forbidden. (Gen 24:3; Num 25:1-9; Ezra 9:12; Neh 10:30) E. Since marriage is for life, neither this Constitution nor the constitution of any State, nor any state or federal law, shall be construed to permit divorce. (Deut. 22:19; Mark 10:9) F. If a married man dies without children, his brother shall marry the widow. If he refuses to marry his brother's widow or deliberately does not give her children, he shall pay a fine of one shoe and be otherwise punished in a manner to be determined by law. (Gen. 38:6-10; Deut. 25:5-10) |
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P.S. 1 : Please don't expect the clergy to publicize this web site in church circles, because our voices are stifled as soon as the establishment recognizes the threat that we represent -- just as Jesus predicted would happen. -- These people will only be reached (and stifled themselves), if and when the voices of those who really know the teaching of Jesus become stronger and louder than those who pretend to know that teaching. So please help get the word out both inside and outside of the Christian community. P.S. 2 : We believe homosexuals ought to have the same rights and privileges and obligations as heterosexuals. Isn't it reasonable for straights to expect gays to abide by the same standards of behavior as straights regarding promiscuity, extra-marital relations and adultery? Homosexual advocates might find a lot less resistance if they made it clear to the general public that what they are fighting for is the right to be normal, not the right to be immoral? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-moore/the-closets-of-karl-and-k_b_28669.html Phyllis Schafly disappeared from view when it was revealed in 1992 that her oldest son is gay. qrd.org/qrd/misc/text/schlafly.outing.reaction-KNIGHT.RIDDER |
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